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Okay, my neighbor and I, around 6.30, had gone up north, Spokane, on, towards Deer Park.

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It's not a, it's not a popular area, area out there. It's mostly old farmers and dairies

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and so forth. And we were going after milk. We buy our milk from a farm, you know, that

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sells it to us. It's a whole milk. And this is a, you know, we get our cream and our butter

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out there. And we drove out there and there was a great killer traffic going out there

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that night, last night. Could you hold for a moment please?

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Sure thing. Thank you for holding.

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Would you like me to tell you what happened?

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Yes, please.

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It's about the only way I can describe it.

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Yes.

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Okay, and we were, we had, it's, it got off the main road and it's quite dark out there.

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I mean, it's super dark because there aren't any major street flights, not even every

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day, so you know, it's a great thing. So we drive into the farm area, we pick up our

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milk, we drive back out. Now I know there were exactly two cars that were, we weren't

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even in the main road. I'm just trying to eliminate any possibility to put any doubt in anybody's

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There were two cars that I had passed. Again, they were still on the county roads. We were

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not on the main road, which would be division, but it's a highway before it comes into town.

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I'm going along here, still on the main, the country roads, swing on in total darkness.

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I mean, I am the only one driving at that area, nothing. I am driving along, my neighbor

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and I are talking and I have this habit of looking into my mirror, you know, as I am,

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I'm driving.

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Yes.

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He was going on behind me and I tell you, all of a sudden there was one light. Okay, caught

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an eye. So I'm still talking, but it was, I thought, my goodness, there must, first

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I thought, this car has only one headlight, you see. And because, and then I started trying

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to look into it as well as keeping my eye on the road. I thought it must be a motorcycle,

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you know, because it was just the one light.

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I couldn't totally concentrate on it because I had to watch the road. The road didn't,

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you know, it was, we had to watch it anyway. So if I thought to myself, after my friend,

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my neighbor, I said, after, would you turn around and take a look at what is following

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us? I swear to God, I cannot tell you. And she says, well, I said, I said, is it a car

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with one headlight? And she says, well, Rose, it could be, but I'm concentrating on driving,

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trying to look in there. And she's totally turned around. And she says, Rose, Rose, excited,

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believe me. She says, that thing, it's not a car, it's nothing. It is something, you know,

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and it is hovering over the road behind us. It was as far as from our car. And if you're

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standing at one end of the block and looking down, you know, that I can't, I'm not very

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good at distancing. About 300 feet. Right. The light was, it was about 15 feet. I could

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tell you if I were to stand and show you, but I'm at 15 feet above the street. It was

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one super bright, luminous, white, I have to say white. It was not a light tone that

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was like car light, you know, an obvious glare or anything. More of a full moon shape.

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From where we couldn't actually even look at into it. It was so bright. And I, she says,

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Rose, Rose, that thing, and it was kind of hovering over the street and it was truly no way under

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the, under, could a car be coming out of either side of the road because it was field. There

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was not an attack, you know, a road that could be coming. That thing came, it was there all

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of a sudden. Okay, I was slowing down. I slowed down, you know, because I couldn't concentrate.

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And it kept, it's, if the way I had slowed down, if it had been a car, whatever, it would

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have caught up with me. But it stayed this distance, but it would hover and it would

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go like to the left and then it would kind of come back, you know, I mean, I don't mean

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to exaggerate it, but it was not staying on the road like a car, for example. I say,

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my God, he's moving clear into the field off the road. You see what I'm saying? I may be

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bad in describing it, but it was definitely not a car, definitely not a truck, definitely

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nothing I have ever seen before. Okay, we are driving along and my friends are, Rose,

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Rose, this thing is moving up and down. And I got it, it literally, well, first of all,

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I was driving along, I would be coming around a little bend, not a major bend, but you could

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see that the lights, et cetera, from another car if you were driving, you know, coming

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and shooting off into the field before it's me. But I wouldn't see it for just maybe a

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second. And by golly there it was again. You see what I mean? And this is what's finally

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made me say to my friends, would you turn around and look? And we both, obviously, I

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would say, we both, we'll put it down in writing that we feel it's an unidentified flying object.

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It's a staff, all of a sudden we were coming closer to town. It's like this thing was really

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on our tail. You know, very obvious. And we were coming into town and as Rose, Rose,

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I couldn't turn around, but I was observing this in the mirror. She says, this thing has

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taken off and it literally moved as quickly as you would raise your own arm, you know,

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upward, that fast. Straight up. Straight up. Well, no, not straight up, because see, we're

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on the county, I mean the highway, which is going to Division Street, and there's field

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and it kind of went off, I could show you with my hand as a gesture, you know, that would be semi-up,

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you know, kind of off to the side. Now you were driving north at the time, right?

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No, we were driving south. South, okay. And then this thing would be following you coming

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from the north. Yes, right. It's truly, sir, I wouldn't be quiet, you know, attached on.

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Could you just one second, I have to tell my solo and powerful friend. Okay.

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I'm going to be right back on the phone. Excuse me. Okay, then there, when I, before I attached

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off the county road to the main road, which was still in a very, I would say at night,

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it looks pretty isolated, believe me, and it was only 6.30 in the evening. And, you know,

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when we got out there, but the sighting, and I remember I said to my friend, I said,

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check your time, what time is it? And it was about 7.25, you know, that we saw.

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Yes, okay. What was the name of this road that you were driving on when you saw it?

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Well, now that, it would be Division Street here in town, but it would, I'm sure it's called

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a highway something before it actually turns into Division. And I can't tell you that.

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Okay, we can check that. We were coming off Monroe Road.

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I see. This is the county road. You know, there's a farm. And the only light, a lot of times,

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is just where the farm is on their property. And it's a trees and fields and very, very, very dark.

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So I'm just, I'm stressing this because as I'm, as I'm getting off the county road,

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looking down to my left before I turn it right onto the main road, you might say.

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Total darkness, no kind sight. And I, you can, you can obviously tell if something is coming,

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you know, with a beam, I mean, or something.

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Okay, do you have any idea just how big this object was?

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Oh gosh, that's a good question. Yes, in my mind, I can still visualize it.

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I shouldn't sleep at wink last night.

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It was, well, as I'm looking down the road, it would totally fill up, let's say,

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from one side to the other side of the road.

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Before it went to the road, right?

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It was that. It was that, in my eyes, it was that bright. And the brightness of it filled up the whole road.

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Okay, would the color, did it remain the same all the time?

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Yes, it remained the same. It was so bright that after this got, you know, she would turn away.

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And it was not a yellow, it was not a red, it was not a blue, it was, I would, you can call it a white light,

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but it had a silver, it was so bright, it was almost silver, it was very luminous.

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Did it by any chance light up the area around it?

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Well, that's the weird thing about it. As I'm looking back, the area that, there was not a sound.

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This is what really spooked us, because there was no warning or approaching of anything behind me,

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and I mean nothing, it was there.

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Uh-huh.

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And it lit up, yes, this is what I'm saying, when they lit it, lighting up, I would not say into the field or anything,

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but very definitely the entire road.

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It consumed the whole area it was on.

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And it maintained the same distance between you at all times?

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Yes, it did, however, the thing that finally attracted me, you know, where I really got a little bit,

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when I told my friends, well, you turn around, and this is, I'm telling you exactly, see who is following us,

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you know, like on the country road to women, you know, I mean, we were married, I mean, a family, but still, we were not stupid, you know.

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And so I said, after, that guy's getting closer, I called him a guy.

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You know what I mean?

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Yes.

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And he said, no, just an obvious thing.

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And when we said, no, that thing, what is that thing?

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Not, it was not a human car, driving in a car, a truck, motorcycle, I will rule that out, I will, you know, move me.

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Well, would you appreciate your calling?

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Well, I just had to get it off my chest, because it really, really was, where she was over last night,

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and you can talk about it and talk about it.

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And, you know, it's kind of an eerie experience, frankly.

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Did you ever think of stopping the car and getting out looking at it?

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See, that's what I was going to tell you, you know what, I haven't completed it.

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I'm driving along, and we both, the thing that we can't get over is that there was no traffic, you know.

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As we were going out to the farm, I said to my friend, and there was traffic, I have to explain, traffic coming in to town,

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and I said, my gosh, it's not even the weekend, you know, it was obviously heavy traffic.

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Once we got past the point where we have some residential building sites out there,

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and Chrissy going out to the lake, are you familiar with the area at all?

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No, okay, that's why I'm going into it a little bit.

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When we came back out, we, like I said, there was no traffic, just we felt really alone,

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and this thing was behind us, it was following us.

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It really was.

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I can't, you may think I'm kidding, but it was.

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Was this lack of traffic unusual?

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It was unusual, because when we drove out, it was so full, because I made a comment.

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Now, okay, we're driving past, okay, we hit the spot where it's Pine River, and there is a beautiful area, you know, building site area out there.

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And I come down here, and I turn around, and I swear to you, we went back, would you believe this, two women?

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We had to see for ourselves that it was not a car with one headlight, a motorcycle, because it would be coming down south,

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following us if it were, you see what I'm saying?

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We wanted to meet it going the opposite direction.

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As I turned down to the highway here, all of a sudden I thought, where is this traffic coming from?

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Ginger's Can?

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Right.

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It was all of us, because I had to wait for all these cars to pass, and nothing when we were out there driving on the road.

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Okay, can we feel free to call you for more information?

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Oh, feel free to call me.

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I mean, I'm glad you called me.

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I just thought I had to tell somebody.

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My husband happened to be out of town, and I was going to explode.

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I had to tell somebody.

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You see, and then I saw the police department, and they gave me your number, and he would be the one that would want to hear my story.

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Okay, and thank you very much for talking to us.

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Thank you for calling.

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You bet.

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Kind of hoping, you know, when you said you were coming in, I was hoping we could take you out that area.

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Right.

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That area.

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But very quickly, you want to know, I mean, are we out from the very beginning, and so on and so forth?

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Okay, what I was really interested in is the time, the approximate time that you left your house, and then how far you had to go before you got on division, which is highway 395.

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And then how long it took you to drive up to the point where you turned off at 395 and to the milk store.

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And then the traffic conditions during that period.

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Okay, I'll tell you, and then I'll give you the opportunity.

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You want to ask my neighbors here too.

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Fine.

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But okay, now I'll have to, about what time was it?

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It was after 6.30 when we left, wasn't it?

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Yeah, roughly.

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It was about a quarter to seven when we left our home to go get milk.

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And we live north of town, you know, right close to the area where we hooked up on to.

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But we are going straight up North Undivision Street.

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And we go now under past Wondermere and Pine River out towards Deer Park.

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And now, as we were driving up division, I said to my neighbor Esther, I said, my gosh, look at all this traffic.

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There was a lot of traffic coming south as we were going north.

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And I said to her, my word, it's not even the weekend, which is not an uncommon thing on Friday and Saturday night, you know.

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And there was a lot of traffic as we were going north.

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And the traffic kind of died down after we get past Wondermere and Pine River Park and another new residential area, which is north of division.

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Okay.

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And as we went further on, how many miles to the farm?

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Oh, it's four miles north of Wondermere and about a mile and a half off division, which is the highway.

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Okay.

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Now we're tracking this on a map as you're talking.

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And what is this in relation to Whitworth College, your location?

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It is north of that.

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Okay.

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But it's north.

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We got Wondermere Lake.

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Is that where Wondermere is?

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Wondermere Lake and then there's Pine River Park, which is Little Spokane River area.

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Okay.

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And then we go about, how many miles, about four miles up north of that, three and a half to four miles.

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Now on your map, I'll give you a location.

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It's Monroe Road.

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Okay, we've got that.

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That's where we turned left on Monroe Road.

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Another how many miles on Monroe Road, would you think?

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Another mile down on Monroe Road.

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Okay.

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And the other road we hooked on to, Austin, she said it starts with an A. She gets more,

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she's more familiar, you know, as a new driver on this road.

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Yes.

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We swung a right onto Austin, which would be going north again.

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Okay, we got that.

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Okay.

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And how many miles to the farm?

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Half a mile and then we would be to the farm, which we swing into her driveway would be,

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you know, to the left.

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Okay, fine.

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That's where we went to get the milk.

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And about what time did you arrive there?

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Do you have any idea?

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About what time did you think we got there to the milk?

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About 10 minutes to drive out there, 15?

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20 minutes, I guess, to drive out there total.

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Okay.

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And the traffic there on the main highway and then this side roads, was that fairly normal?

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No, the traffic, no, the traffic from Pine River Park and Wondermere and maybe just a shot north.

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We have Fairwood and Brentwood, which are residential areas.

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It was heavy.

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Now, I would not, I wouldn't consider that particularly normal or abnormal.

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That area right there is pretty well traveled.

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But beyond that point, when we get after you passed that bridge, there's a little bridge where you have Wondermere Lake.

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As we're going north, it died down considerably into a point where there was no traffic whatsoever.

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From that point to the milk barn?

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Yes.

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It's super dark.

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Okay.

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And you met nothing coming opposite direction and nothing passed you?

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Okay.

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As we were driving to the farm, we didn't encounter anything.

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No.

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Okay.

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How it, okay, you're, just go ahead.

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But now the countryside was fairly normal according to the other lady.

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Everything seemed normal out there.

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It seemed normal to you after at that point?

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Yes, it didn't seem abnormal.

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It was a super dark night.

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It had been cold and wet and raining in Spokane.

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Yes.

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And I was driving the entire distance almost on my high beams.

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Okay.

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And because you know, you turn them off if you have any traffic approaching you.

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So I was driving and I drove out there the next day in the daytime for my own benefit.

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Just to see how many lights, county lights were connected, you know, how many miles,

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or et cetera, they were apart.

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Yes.

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And the area that we were at, there would be a stretch, a periodic stretch where there

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was no light unless you came to a county road hookup onto the main highway and there

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would be one light.

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I see.

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You see, I had to see this for myself thinking it may be just the light off the road, but

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absolutely not.

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But as now we picked up our milk and it took us maybe a total of five minutes of that.

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It was ready for us.

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Okay.

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And I backed out of the driveway again and drove down the first little country road.

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As we were driving down, yes, there was a car coming on the opposite direction.

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We're going south now.

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You're going south on Austin Road.

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Yes, we are on Austin Road and a car is coming north.

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Okay.

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And it went north of us.

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And during the daytime when I drove back out there, there were some houses kind of scattered,

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you know, farmhouses and some nice homes with acreage.

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So we just assumed it was someone living out there.

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Right.

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Okay.

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And then I've hooked up onto Austin.

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We come to the crossroads from Monroe and Austin Hook.

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Are you there?

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Right.

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Okay.

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As I'm waiting, there is a stop sign there on these two county roads.

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There's another car across the road.

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There she is.

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And I'm waiting to make a left-hand turn onto Monroe.

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Right.

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And he is going north on Austin.

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Okay.

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Also, this is the very last car we encountered.

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Okay, then you go...

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Then I swung onto Monroe Road, which would be a left-hand turn towards the highway.

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Right.

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Now this particular stretch of road is also quite dark because there's trees and the

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field and no light.

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No light whatsoever.

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And there aren't any homes, particularly on the road, that would reflect any light whatsoever.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And we're driving along and I come to the stop sign, which is the highway.

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Right, 395.

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Right.

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Okay.

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And to my left is the last light, a county road light that, you know, is on my left-hand

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side of the road that's lighting up this particular hurt up.

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Right.

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Now I am looking to my left quite a ways before I attach to make sure there is no traffic.

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Nothing.

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There was no light, nothing.

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Completely dark.

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Now, sir, I went back the next day to see how far the visibility was on that stretch of

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road, you know, in the daytime.

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Yes.

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It's really quite, quite a ways.

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It's a straight stretch almost.

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Yes, I see here in the math there's a long straight stretch.

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Right.

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And so if a car were coming, you could see the beam or the light reflecting from the car

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for quite a ways, if it were there.

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But absolutely not.

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Okay.

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So, okay, then I proceed onto the road, you know, to my right and we are coming south

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now on the highway.

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Okay.

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And my neighbor was sitting beside me and she lit up the cigarette and we were talking

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casually.

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She was talking about her brother, she was saying, and anyway, I have this habit of

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glancing up to my mirror.

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Just, you know, have it, I do to see what's going on behind me.

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Yes.

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And I'm not kidding you, all of a sudden I see this light, just a bright light in my

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mirror.

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I hadn't made any comment to my neighbor at that point.

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I thought to myself, my gosh, where did that car come from?

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Now, about how far had you driven before just as you drove onto the highway?

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Was this almost immediately?

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No, it was, I, well I observed the thing for about two minutes.

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I see.

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So whatever, two to three minutes in my mirror.

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I see, I wasn't looking, you know, paying attention that much and it was so dark and

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then it did catch my eye and I observed it before I made a comment to my neighbor.

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Okay, now this just appears an ordinary light, like a headlight on the car?

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Well, it could have been.

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That's what I first thought.

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It was that, you know, about that size.

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About that size.

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Maybe a little bit larger, you know, like, well, it was larger than I would say a normal

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light because I've been observing the cars in the dark.

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Just trying to sense, you know, so I could tell you some size.

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Right.

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And this thing was back there but it was coming closer, increasing in size, you see.

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Yeah, it was as the gap closed between you, the thing did get bigger.

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Yes, absolutely.

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And I thought to myself, oh, that car has one headlight, you know, because it was just

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the one light.

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And then I thought, I hadn't sent anything to my neighbor yet and I thought, my goodness,

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it must be a motorcyclist because they have the one bright light.

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And I thought, what a cold night to be out, you know.

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But finally, this thing kept coming closer and it got to be bigger and brighter.

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So I am driving about 47 miles an hour, you know.

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And the roads are straight but it was dark.

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I had to keep my eye on the road.

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I said to my neighbor, I told her, I said, Esther, would you please turn around?

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And see, because it was not a, you know, something I had not recognized.

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I said, would you please turn around and see what is following us?

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And she literally bodily turned around and I said to her, is it a car with one headlight?

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And she said at that point, well, it could be.

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And all of a sudden she just, I'll let you tell her when her opportunity to talk what she saw actually.

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She says, Rose, Rose, it's a thing, it's a thing and it moved up into the sky.

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It appeared to be moving upward.

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She said, turn around, turn around.

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I said, I see it in my mirror.

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I see it.

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You know, I was observing it at that point too.

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And she said, it's going to the left and to the, I'll let her tell you that because she saw that more.

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And so, and this thing got closer and brighter, bigger, much larger.

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Did you lose sight of this in the mirror then?

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I was watching this, but the thing would like, literally go completely out, you know, with completely,

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it's almost an exaggeration of completely going away out of my mirror.

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You know what I mean?

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It would hover like to the left upward and then to the right and then I wouldn't see it.

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And then it would appear again.

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Now, sir, a normal car light will do that occasionally if you hit a bump or something,

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but never have I known it to completely go off of my mirror.

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Right.

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So this thing did.

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And I was trying to wash it and keep control of the car too, or at least started to shake so badly

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that I slowed my car down to not to lose control.

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And this thing seemed to slow down as I slowed down.

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We were going as a creep almost after it really, I had slowed down enough so I wouldn't lose control.

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Did you notice your speedometer?

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Did I notice my speedometer?

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No, what I did notice is that my instrument lights did dim.

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They did dim.

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They did dim.

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How about your headlights?

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They did too.

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And I didn't notice that, so I'll get to that point when we were coming down.

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Okay.

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Okay, we're driving along and this, it was about as far away, now there's double blocks,

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you know, a normal block for my car.

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If you were to stand at one end of the block and I was at the other, we could shout at each other.

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And it literally, the light was so luminous and so bright, you couldn't look at it for any length of time.

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My neighbor was saying, well, if I can't look at it, I can't look at it, you know.

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And, yeah, your eyes were water, she said, but it literally lit up the whole width of the road.

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You know, it wasn't just like one headlight.

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It literally lit up the whole width of the road and maybe over the road.

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You know what I mean?

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It's so dark, you can't see, but where we saw this light, it literally lit up the entire road.

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Okay, now, about this point, do you have any idea of your exact location on 395?

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Now, if I were driving it, I could probably, you know, tell you, well, here's about the place.

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Right at this minute, I'm not that familiar with names of the area, other than where to be in the car.

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Okay.

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I can, yeah, we've had gone, oh golly, well, we saw the thing for about a total of five minutes.

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Okay, and when we came now, we're coming south and as soon as we got into the residential area,

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like Pine River and Wondermere again, where that bridge is, the thing literally flew off to the left into the sky,

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as fast as you could raise your arm from your side.

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That's about at the bridge at the Spokane River.

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Right, right, exactly.

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Okay, and that's the last you saw of it.

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And that is the last we saw of it.

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I am not kidding you, I'm not a chicken little, I drove south trying to find a place where I could turn off to turn around.

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And I said, after I have got to see this with my own eyes, whether it's a car with one headlight, a motorcycle,

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a truck with lights for sitting up high, anything.

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And all of a sudden, as we were trying to hook up onto the division streets, all this traffic, which would not be in front of us,

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not before us, it must have come out from Pine River, Wondermere, Brentwood, Fairwood.

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We both said the traffic, where was it before, you see?

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Now, do you saw this traffic after you passed over the bridge?

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Well, after we passed over the bridge and I drove to the point and I turned around in a place called Trailer Camper,

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Movial Camper, excuse me.

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And about how far is that south of the bridge, any of you?

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How far is that away from the bridge, where that thing left us?

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We have no idea, I mean, half a mile maybe.

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That's the first turn off I took.

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Now, up to that point, you saw no traffic, right?

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No traffic.

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Okay, then you went in and you turned around.

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Yes.

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And then you tried to get back onto the highway.

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Yes.

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And that's when you hit the traffic.

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That's when we hit traffic.

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And that's going north and south.

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That's correct.

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Okay.

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More south this time than north again.

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Okay.

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And then did you drive back north?

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Yes, I did, sir, and I drove back up and after, again, after we got out of the residential area,

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we're thought to be much darker.

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And that's when I noticed my headlights were dim.

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I said, yes, turn my headlights a shirt dim and I got cold feet, you know,

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and I tried to find a little road or something I could turn off on Main Highway

452
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,000
because there wasn't another county road connecting between that point where I was at.

453
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,000
So I drove into this, you almost missed it if you weren't looking for a spot

454
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
and I turned around in a field.

455
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Okay, now you say you've got cold feet.

456
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Was it getting cold in the car or were you just...

457
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
No, I think, just kind of a chill.

458
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000
I see.

459
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
I was up in that same vicinity.

460
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Okay, but you did not see the object again.

461
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
We did not.

462
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000
We looked, believe me.

463
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,000
I mean, we were both frightened, but we just had to see for ourselves what it could be.

464
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Now, when your headlights and panel lights dimmed, did you notice any unusual action in the engine?

465
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
No, not really.

466
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000
We didn't.

467
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:56,000
I noticed that my lights in the car were quite dim and my headlights were quite dim

468
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000
and this is one reason I did turn around.

469
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Okay, and then you did turn around and then you started back down, division again?

470
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Then we went home, yes.

471
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000
Okay, and nothing happened from that point till you got home?

472
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Nothing happened.

473
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
No, uh-oh.

474
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:16,000
Okay, and at any time that you were driving, and this, while this object was behind you,

475
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,000
did you have any unusual physical reactions?

476
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Well, other than, that's hard to tell because I was shaking like a leaf.

477
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000
I see.

478
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,000
And my knee, I could hardly keep my foot on the pedal if you want to know the truth.

479
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000
And my neighbor was just shaken.

480
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,000
We're laughing about it now because we're, you know, after you think how frightened you were.

481
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Okay, now, do you have any idea of what time it was when you got home?

482
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000
As a matter of fact, I'll tell you exactly what time we saw that thing.

483
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000
It was at 7.25.

484
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
That was when you first saw it up north?

485
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000
Well, I'll tell you, it went, it went all the way up to about 7.30.

486
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
And I said to Esther, what time do you have on your watch?

487
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000
And we both looked.

488
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,000
I didn't know why I did that.

489
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:05,000
And so it was 7.30, but I said, okay, that's the first, the first minute I saw that thing was about 7.25.

490
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000
From the minute I saw it, it was about that time.

491
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
It could have been just a couple minutes earlier than that, you know, too.

492
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
But I wanted to remember the time for some reason.

493
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,000
I don't know why.

494
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,000
But did you have any idea what time it was when you turned around to head back north?

495
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Probably, it might have been like, but what time you suppose it took us when we went back upward?

496
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,000
It was what, maybe about 7.35 going on 7.40.

497
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Okay, but did you notice the time, what time it was when you got home?

498
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000
What time was it when we got home, Esther?

499
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000
About 8 o'clock.

500
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Okay, now, taking into consideration the time that you lost when you slowed down and also the time that you turned around and made the trip back up and then turned around again and came south,

501
00:31:53,000 --> 00:32:00,000
would this be, this trip had taken you much longer than usual?

502
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
You mean coming back home on the whole total trip?

503
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Coming back home?

504
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000
It probably took me a little longer because I had slowed the car down, yes.

505
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,000
But nothing like a half hour or an hour longer than usual?

506
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000
It took us 20 minutes for us to get there, normally.

507
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Right.

508
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,000
And it is a dark road and I don't drive 55 or 50, I mean drive a little slower than most.

509
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:27,000
But I would say it took us longer to get home than it normally would, yes.

510
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
This is if I'm answering your question.

511
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Okay.

512
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Okay, Mr. Davidson would like to ask a few questions.

513
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Okay.

514
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
I want to know your age, possibly.

515
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
I'm 32.

516
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000
And your occupation?

517
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
I'm a homemaker.

518
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Okay.

519
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,000
Let me see.

520
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Could you describe to the best of your ability what the object looked like?

521
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Yes, I can.

522
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000
I can describe it just exactly.

523
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Well, let's describe it at its furthest point and then at its closest.

524
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000
At its furthest point, it seemed to be quite round.

525
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,000
That, you know, when I first spotted it, it looked like it might have been just like a

526
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000
bright light, you know, coming at you.

527
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000
At its closest point?

528
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:16,000
It looked exactly like, have you ever seen a full moon that has like a fourth of it still

529
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
to come over the horizon?

530
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000
It looked like a fourth of the moon was missing on the lower half.

531
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Okay, and what color was the light again?

532
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,000
The light, it actually, it's hard to say a color because it was almost, it was a bright

533
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000
light that shimmers almost silvery.

534
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,000
You know, you can't say it's yellow or you can't say anything, but I would say it would

535
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,000
be more on the white, white light.

536
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Okay.

537
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,000
About how close did the object, your estimate, how close did the object come to you during

538
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
the episode?

539
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:55,000
During the last, I would say probably, maybe less than a block, a regular block length,

540
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000
not a double block length.

541
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Okay.

542
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,000
What kind of car were you driving?

543
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
I was driving a red Mustang.

544
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
What year?

545
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
I was just 71.

546
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Okay, could you compare the brightness?

547
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000
Just 67, excuse me, just 67 Mustang.

548
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Okay.

549
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Could you compare the brightness with anything that you can relate it to of the object?

550
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Well, I'll tell you, it's brighter than any light that I have ever seen.

551
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Gosh, if you were to take a symbol full of water and put it next to a 100 gallon tank

552
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,000
of water, that's about the brightest light, you know, comparison to any light I've seen.

553
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000
You know, the airplane lights, is they landing?

554
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Yes.

555
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,000
That would be probably the brightest thing that I could compare it to, but it was brighter

556
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,000
in the sky as they're coming in, hovering, you know, lowering to land.

557
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Okay, could you estimate the size?

558
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000
The light.

559
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Of the light?

560
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:59,000
At the closest point, the light literally, well, it seemed to be the whole width of the

561
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
road that we were on.

562
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Okay, now you're talking about the object itself.

563
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Well, you couldn't really just really actually make, look at into it at any length of time

564
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
because it was so bright.

565
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
You see?

566
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,000
So, I can't say the object was so big, maybe the light made it exaggerated the size.

567
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000
I don't know.

568
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:23,000
But the light, the size that I saw was probably the whole width of the road, or more.

569
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Okay, now the flat section, you said you compared the object to moon rising.

570
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Right.

571
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Another flat portion, was that on the bottom?

572
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
It was on the bottom, yes.

573
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000
Okay, how did the object move?

574
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Well, what was its characteristics as it moved?

575
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
What was its characteristics?

576
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,000
It would go to the left, and then it would come back and go upward, and then it would

577
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000
kind of swing to the right and back up, up again.

578
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Did it wobble at any time?

579
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
It did wobble, do you mean?

580
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Wobble.

581
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Wobble.

582
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,000
It did wobble.

583
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
I'll let my neighbor tell you too.

584
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Okay.

585
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
I want to answer here, I want you to ask her.

586
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,000
It never, yeah, he said it kind of appeared like it was a bouncy thing, a hovering type

587
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:18,000
of thing, it never, you know, it gets moved at times, and then as it goes up, you know,

588
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,000
and then comes back down, it was smooth, and then up, and then when it, you know, exaggerate

589
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
up to the left or to the right.

590
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Okay, just a couple more questions.

591
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000
What, for my own interest here, what is your religious denomination?

592
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,000
I'm a Catholic.

593
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,000
You're a Catholic?

594
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Yes.

595
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:39,000
And let me see, have you read any UFO literature prior to the experience?

596
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,000
I am a firm believer in UFO, I've always had, have been.

597
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Okay, have you read any literature on the soak?

598
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Have I read, yes, you know, I've read like Curious of the Gods, the ancient astronauts,

599
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000
I've seen that on television.

600
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:00,000
I have seen the current thing that's going on in Spokane called the Outer Space Connection.

601
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Okay.

602
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Okay, for right now, that's it, thank you very much.

603
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Okay, thank you.

604
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Okay, now I think that we can put Esther on the line.

605
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Okay, yes, we can.

606
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Thank you.

607
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Hello.

608
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Hi, Esther, I'm Bob Gribble.

609
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Yes, Bob.

610
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Okay, I think what I would like to do, in as much as you were the one who had the really

611
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:28,000
free visual access to this object at all times, I would like you to describe everything that

612
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:35,000
you saw right from the beginning, the minute you turned around, and just exactly as you

613
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
saw it at that time.

614
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Okay, well, she called my attention to it, and I just casually looked over my, you know,

615
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,000
turned over the edge of the seat, and looked at some men, and you know, it's kind of a weird

616
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000
light, and I, you know, and I turned back around and finished talking about, I was talking

617
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:59,000
about butter tour at the time, and started to finish it, and it started getting brighter,

618
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000
and I turned around and I looked at it back at that time.

619
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:09,000
I literally turned around in this seat, and it would kind of go out of visibility out of

620
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
the roof, out of the back window.

621
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000
Would it go up?

622
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,000
It would go up.

623
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Okay.

624
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:20,000
And so I finally laid my head on the console, as anybody, any of my friends would have seen

625
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000
me in this car.

626
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,000
In the position I was, I think they died, because I lost all the Porsche, and I laid my head

627
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:34,000
where I could look out and follow it, and it was just, it was kind of, it was smaller,

628
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:41,000
and then it seemed to get closer to us, and it got brighter, and my eyes had kind of water,

629
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000
and I had this squint to really look at it.

630
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,000
And then something, I kept going at Rose, it was doing, you know, I'd say, Rose, it's

631
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,000
moving to the left, Rose, it just went to the right, and it was kind of a bounce, and

632
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,000
then it just kind of rubble off and go smooth, and then it kind of jumped up.

633
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,000
In other words, each time that it moved out of your sight, it gave the effect of bouncing

634
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000
away from you?

635
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Yeah.

636
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Okay.

637
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,000
And then it would just jump, take a jump and go upward, and then it kind of gradually

638
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
smoothed off.

639
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Now did it also, in addition to going just straight up, did it move to your right upward, to your

640
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000
left upward?

641
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
During the time, yes, it would go from one side of the road to the other.

642
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Now could you at any time actually see the object out of the side windows?

643
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Pardon?

644
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Could you at any time see the object out of the side windows of the car?

645
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Yes, I could, out of the small window in the back.

646
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Uh-huh.

647
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Okay.

648
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:48,000
And now did this object maintain its original shape and brightness at all times while you

649
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000
were watching it?

650
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Yes.

651
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,000
It didn't, it shaped, no, it did not on a shape, it's brightness, it got brighter.

652
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
It did get brighter at times?

653
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,000
It kind of came to, towards the car more, it stayed, oh I would say maybe a 50 feet distance

654
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,000
from us, but when it was further away it didn't seem to be as bright as when it got up closer

655
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:13,000
to the, about this, once it kind of started hovering towards the car there, it stayed at

656
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,000
a certain distance, no matter if we sped up or if we went slow down.

657
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Yes.

658
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,000
And then when it just kind of, it was kind of a white light, but it was a bright, it

659
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,000
was kind of like looking into the sun at a length of time.

660
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000
I see.

661
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Now did the brightness change at any time just prior to or after it moved from point to point?

662
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Uh, no.

663
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000
I see, okay.

664
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000
It seemed to.

665
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Now you say that you figure the estimate of the distance, the closest distance between

666
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
you and the light would be about 50 feet?

667
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
I would say approximately about 50 feet.

668
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Okay.

669
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Now would this be when it was directly behind you?

670
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Yes.

671
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Okay.

672
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:04,000
And while you were observing this, did you notice any colored lights or any hulk of any

673
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,000
kind?

674
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000
No, I didn't.

675
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Just all light then?

676
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000
We just all light.

677
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000
And no rays of light or beams of light coming from it?

678
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Uh-huh.

679
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Okay.

680
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,000
So you reflected off the sides.

681
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,000
It seemed like it seemed to be that there was a, you know, a main light with it kind

682
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000
of shimmering off.

683
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Shimmering off of something?

684
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Mm-hmm.

685
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Like it was reflecting off of something?

686
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Something self-luminous then.

687
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Mm-hmm.

688
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Okay.

689
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Did you have the car radio on at the time?

690
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,000
No, we didn't.

691
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000
I see.

692
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Did you play it at any time during the trip coming down?

693
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000
No, we didn't.

694
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Okay.

695
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Now, were you also aware of this, the lack of traffic while you were watching this object?

696
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Yes, I was.

697
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Okay.

698
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,000
And then you also witnessed, when you got turned around, you also witnessed the heavy traffic

699
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000
north.

700
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Yes, yes.

701
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000
We both said where did it come from.

702
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Uh-huh.

703
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Now, was there any unusual, have you made this trip quite a bit yourself?

704
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
I did it twice a week.

705
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Okay.

706
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Then you're pretty well acquainted with that area.

707
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Uh-huh.

708
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Okay.

709
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
So, what was the surroundings that night?

710
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Was it so dark that you couldn't be seeing?

711
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000
It was real dark out.

712
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Was this, would you say?

713
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000
It was actually dark.

714
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Now, Monday night was another night.

715
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000
I went out for a month Monday night, and Monday night was another one.

716
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
It was real dark night.

717
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Okay.

718
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Now, you say real dark.

719
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Was this in excess of normal?

720
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Well, you know, some nights seem to be darker than other nights.

721
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Was there a cloud layer that night?

722
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000
No, no, I don't know.

723
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
I don't pay that much attention to the weather.

724
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Okay.

725
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000
But the snow, the rain, the...

726
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000
I mean, you couldn't see any stars or the moon or anything?

727
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000
No, you couldn't.

728
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
I say, okay.

729
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Then, was there anything unusual about the surroundings, the countryside, did you notice?

730
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
No.

731
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Okay.

732
00:42:53,000 --> 00:43:02,000
But I did talk to the gal that I'd gotten out from, and I had seen all the colors still

733
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,000
and I asked her if, you know, she'd ever say anything like that.

734
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,000
She said, oh, I have it personally, but she said other people out there have.

735
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Yeah, you talked to her later.

736
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Uh-huh.

737
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,000
And did she say anything about any sightings, additional sightings that night?

738
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000
No, she didn't, but she was going to talk to a few of the people out there.

739
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Oh, fine.

740
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
And, you know, see if anybody else had.

741
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Yes, okay.

742
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
But they had, there had been other people that had seen sightings.

743
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
She said, oh, I have it, it's unusual.

744
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,000
Well, you were in a wristwatch at the time?

745
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000
Yes, I was.

746
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Did you notice any unusual loss of time on that watch?

747
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
My watch does this all our time.

748
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000
I mean, it's a good watch, but I've magnetized my watches.

749
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000
I see.

750
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000
So, I couldn't really tell you.

751
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Uh-huh.

752
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Okay, now, did you have any, other than being concerned or frightened, did you have any,

753
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
who have never seen these before?

754
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000
What was your opinion on UFOs prior to the time that you saw this?

755
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Well, I believe in them and everything, but, you know, I've never, here not too long ago,

756
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
I had made a smart crack.

757
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,000
We had seen this show and coming home, you know, and say, well, do you sometime in my life,

758
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,000
I'd like to see something.

759
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,000
I would be afraid, you know.

760
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,500
Uh-huh.

761
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:24,500
I said, I just might, you know, I'm not going to be friendly, I might be friendly with them.

762
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:28,500
Oh, I didn't have that experience again.

763
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:31,500
Because I literally checked stuff, I could even write a cigarette.

764
00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:33,500
I tried, I kept dropping it.

765
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:34,500
Yes.

766
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:35,500
But you...

767
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:37,500
My heart was going to stop for sure.

768
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:38,500
Right, okay.

769
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:41,500
Okay, Mr. Davidson would like to ask you a few questions.

770
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:42,500
Okay.

771
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,500
Okay, Esther, I have a couple of questions I'd like to get out of the way here.

772
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:46,500
What is your age?

773
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:47,500
I'm 35.

774
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:49,500
And what is your occupation?

775
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:53,500
Um, kind of a house-biting and I felt too furloughed.

776
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:58,500
Okay, you said that when the object got brighter, well, you mentioned the object getting brighter.

777
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:03,500
Now, uh, Rose stated that the, she described the object as being somewhat of a half moon shape.

778
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,500
Would you agree with that?

779
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,500
Yes, I would.

780
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:13,500
It was kind of rounded on the top, very rounded on the top, and it was kind of a half rounded on the bottom.

781
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:16,500
I mean, it wasn't straight across, it was kind of still a round shape.

782
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:17,500
Okay.

783
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:20,500
Uh, did you see the edges of the object?

784
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:21,500
No.

785
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:28,500
Okay, now when the object got brighter, did the shape of the object itself did change?

786
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:29,500
Yes.

787
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:34,500
I mean, it seemed to be further away, and then it came up closer, and it was kind of, it was over on the top before.

788
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,500
It was just like a round light.

789
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,500
Then it got closed, you know, we first thought it was kind of a round-iege.

790
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:42,500
Mm-hmm.

791
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:48,500
And then when it came up, it was this shape, when it got real bright, and got closer to us.

792
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:51,500
Okay, uh, let me see.

793
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,500
I guess, uh, you gave a good description.

794
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,500
I don't have any other questions at this point.

795
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,500
Do you have any, can I ask you something?

796
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:01,500
Sure.

797
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:05,500
Did you have any reporting from the Spokane area?

798
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:07,500
Uh, want to answer that?

799
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:09,500
Not, uh, not really.

800
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,500
Of course, that doesn't mean that things aren't being seen either.

801
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:17,500
Yeah, we have a very difficult time persuading people who have seen these things too.

802
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:20,500
Well, we come home, we decided, we didn't know whether to tell anybody or not.

803
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,500
We didn't want to end up in the looming fall.

804
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:23,500
Right, well, this is the problem.

805
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:28,500
People are afraid of ridicule, and they're afraid of having their friends make fun of them.

806
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:33,500
And, uh, but this doesn't mean things aren't being seen there all the time.

807
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:34,500
Mm-hmm.

808
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:38,500
But if they are, they're not calling us, and this is the, the main point.

809
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:39,500
Mm-hmm.

810
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,500
Because you, you don't know where to tell for any of your friends.

811
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:43,500
That's right.

812
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,500
I mean, you don't know what they're going to say.

813
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,500
Okay, I have, I do have something, a request.

814
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:54,500
Uh, can I have a request from both of you as witnesses?

815
00:46:54,500 --> 00:47:00,500
Now, we would appreciate a diagram, uh, or a drawing of the object.

816
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:01,500
Oh, okay.

817
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:03,500
If at all, if at all possible from both of you.

818
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:10,500
Now, uh, in your case, I, it would be a good thing if you could draw the object, but using

819
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:15,500
the back window as the configuration, using the, you know, the, how the outline of the

820
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:20,500
back window is, you were looking at using that as the borderline and drawing that in, and

821
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:24,500
then placing the object within that, that border.

822
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:30,500
And probably Rose can, since she had cited the object through the front mirror, uh, reflecting

823
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,500
backward, if she can use that and draw the object using.

824
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,500
How, from the mirror.

825
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:37,500
Yeah.

826
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:42,500
That would give us a, an estimate of size, or would be of an eight of a size there.

827
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:46,500
Now, she would like to talk to you again too.

828
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:47,500
Okay.

829
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:48,500
Okay.

830
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:54,500
One thing I wanted to know, just for my own personal satisfaction, if you can answer that

831
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:59,500
or not, on this, did anyone else around that time see anything or report anything about

832
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:00,500
the time we did?

833
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:02,500
Uh, no, not in that area.

834
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:03,500
They did not.

835
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:04,500
No.

836
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:09,500
The one thing we did spot too, as we drove back up, which we have talked about, she and

837
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,500
I, is this seems very unusual to us.

838
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:17,500
When I went back up the road, you know, where we got cold feet and it was dark.

839
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:18,500
Yes.

840
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:25,500
There was, there seemed to be a plane not moving, um, at the very spot where we first saw it.

841
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:31,500
And there was also, again, a plane not moving, stationary, it seemed like, and the very spot

842
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,500
where it left us.

843
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:34,500
I see.

844
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,500
Now, what did you see?

845
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:38,500
The colored lights of the aircraft?

846
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:43,500
Well, you know, now, uh, where we live, from life in our window, you can see that there's

847
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:47,500
a plane, and a lot of times the plane is like red and green, and it's flickering, and it's

848
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:48,500
moving.

849
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,500
Yes.

850
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:51,500
But, uh, these two things were not moving.

851
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,500
They were, they were, um, stationary.

852
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:57,500
You know, we both commented and looked up into the sky.

853
00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:59,500
Naturally, we were looking for something.

854
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:01,500
We didn't know what.

855
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:02,500
But we found it very unusual.

856
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:06,500
As we looked, there's one over here, and there's one over here.

857
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:10,500
It's one at the very point where it left us to the left, when it left, you know, the road.

858
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:11,500
Yes.

859
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:12,500
We went into the sky.

860
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:13,500
Uh-huh.

861
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:18,500
And then there was one looking back almost to the point where we first saw it, where it

862
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:19,500
came up.

863
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:20,500
Okay.

864
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,500
Now, you identified this as aircraft because of the lights?

865
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,500
Yes.

866
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:26,500
We both said, my gosh, look at the airplanes.

867
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:27,500
They're right there.

868
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:28,500
Do you suppose?

869
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,500
You know, I mean, fair child or someone got it, picked it up, they're out here.

870
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:36,500
This is what we had fought between the two of us, because they were not there.

871
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:41,500
Uh, and I'm stressing the point that it was a very dark night where you could, you could,

872
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:43,500
there weren't any stars particularly.

873
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:49,500
You know, it was one of those evenings where it seemed maybe, uh, such a cloudy, or it had

874
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,500
been raining and it was damp.

875
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:52,500
Right.

876
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:57,500
And then we looked into the sky naturally for light anything, and we did see these two

877
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:58,500
things.

878
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:59,500
Okay.

879
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:01,500
Now, uh, one more point.

880
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:04,500
Do you have time when you made your turn around?

881
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:05,500
Uh-huh.

882
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:06,500
Did either one of you get out of the car?

883
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:12,500
No, we were two, we, we both figured two women on the stretcher road by ourselves, we better

884
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:13,500
not.

885
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:14,500
Yes, okay.

886
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,500
Now, is there anything else you would like to add to this?

887
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:18,500
No, golly.

888
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:23,500
So, uh, all I've got to say is that both Esther and I, it's really kind of funny because

889
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:29,500
and my husband and her husband have always been, uh, believers of things, call them whatever,

890
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:30,500
you know, interesting.

891
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:31,500
Yes.

892
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:38,500
But, uh, no, Esther's laughing here, but we never did, I think that I would encounter

893
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:43,500
or see anything like this, and it's so strange because we had just talked about this, you

894
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:49,500
know, that, uh, we're open-minded enough, and personally myself, um, I've always said

895
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:54,500
that if, if I had the guarantee that they wouldn't hurt me or whatever it is, I would be friendly

896
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:57,500
after the initial shock would wear off.

897
00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:02,500
And we were both so kind of left with a hollow feeling because the shock of it seemed, seemed

898
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:04,500
this for the first time.

899
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,500
We wanted, you know, the shock had kind of worn off.

900
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:10,500
We wanted to see it again in a different way, look for something.

901
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:11,500
Yes.

902
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:16,500
And my, my car window was rolled down about three fourths of the way and there was no

903
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:17,500
sound whatsoever.

904
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:18,500
No sound.

905
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:21,500
I'm, I don't, I told you that either.

906
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:25,500
And this, we found was kind of weird too, eerie feeling.

907
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:26,500
Right.

908
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:27,500
That it was just there.

909
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:30,500
Were there dips, large dips in the road there?

910
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:34,500
Not the stretch I was on because this is why I went back in the daytime.

911
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:35,500
I see.

912
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:39,500
You know, you're, you're referring to, I'm sure, to the car bouncing off, I mean, the

913
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,500
lights off a car, you know, as you're driving along the road.

914
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:43,500
Yes.

915
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:44,500
No, absolutely not.

916
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:51,500
And the way the light did this, a car light or a truck light, it would be in a very exaggerated

917
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:53,500
thing for them to do it.

918
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:54,500
Okay.

919
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:58,500
Now, since you have seen this object, have you had anything unusual happen to you?

920
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:03,500
No, but I'm looking, you know, I mean, I walked around with my head high now, looking up into

921
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:04,500
the sky.

922
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:05,500
How about dreams?

923
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:10,500
Well, the first night my husband, he goes out of town at Great Dale and I tell you, I

924
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:16,500
was super tired and of course, this experience, the minute I closed my eyes, the light would

925
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:19,500
come into, into, I could see it coming.

926
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,500
And that would be the extent of it.

927
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:25,500
I'm, I'm not a careful person, you know, I'm not one to get afraid very easily.

928
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:26,500
Okay.

929
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:31,500
Now, has this upset you to any degree or you've accepted this as being something out of this

930
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:32,500
world?

931
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:33,500
It has not upset me whatsoever.

932
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:34,500
I, I'll tell you exactly how I feel.

933
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:40,500
I have always believed in whatever you want to call it, UFOs, outer beings, angels, whatever

934
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:43,500
they want to name them.

935
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:48,500
Believe me, sir, I have always believed that I am convinced of it now.

936
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:49,500
Okay, fine.

937
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,500
That is exactly how I feel.

938
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:52,500
Okay.

939
00:52:52,500 --> 00:53:02,500
Now, if we send you some paper and self-addressed stamped envelopes, would you make out a very

940
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,500
large drawing of the object as you saw it?

941
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:06,500
As I thought, I would be glad.

942
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:12,500
And we'll send the same to Esther and get both of your, and is there anything else you would

943
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:14,500
like to add to your experience?

944
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:16,500
Just let it let me shakey.

945
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:18,500
Now I'd like to see it again.

946
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:20,500
Oh, that's great attitude.

947
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:25,500
I would, I would love to see it again and really take more time to really look at it.

948
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,500
Oh, the next time bring the camera with you.

949
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:33,500
I put a camera in my car so guys will help there.

950
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:37,500
Maybe I can, where did, where did photographs go?

951
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,500
Many times they do, yes.

952
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:41,500
Sometimes they don't, but most of the times they do.

953
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:43,500
Jacob, do you have any more questions?

954
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:45,500
I have another question.

955
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:47,500
Okay, could I talk to Rose again, please?

956
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:49,500
Yes, just one moment.

957
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:50,500
Okay.

958
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:59,500
We really appreciate you talking to us today and we, you don't know how important it is

959
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:05,500
that people call in these things because we're conducting a very extensive research program

960
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:10,500
into the mystery and we just need more and more reports from people who have these experiences

961
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:12,500
before we can come up with some answers.

962
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:17,500
Well, I think you're correct and I debated about it because I was ready to explode.

963
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:21,500
I wanted to share it with somebody and I can say my husband wasn't home.

964
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,500
And then it was about 11 o'clock that I called the police department and I,

965
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:27,500
I felt that somebody should know about it.

966
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:33,500
I just didn't want it to be, you know, just okay it happened and forget about it.

967
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:37,500
And we're certainly not trying to, you know, ask for myself.

968
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:40,500
We don't, you know, we're not trying to draw attention to ourselves,

969
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:46,500
but we both feel that other people should know and certainly you should be aware of it too.

970
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:54,500
Because I really believe now, believe me, I'm a Christian, but I believe now that it is an,

971
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,500
I would say it is an unknown thing that I have seen.

972
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:02,500
I don't know what it is, but I haven't yet been able to explain it or no one else has to me.

973
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:09,500
So we keep an open mind on it and if we ever see it again, I hope you don't feel that it was just by luck,

974
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:13,500
or maybe it is by luck, I don't know, would you accept your call?

975
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:17,500
Would you think we were, I mean I'm trying to say is if we happen to see it again,

976
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,500
it may be, is it a coincidence or could you see it again?

977
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:23,500
Oh yes, many people have multiple experiences.

978
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:27,500
This is what I'm getting at, you don't, my mother thought it was, she says,

979
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:30,500
now honey I don't think you ought to drive your Mustang anymore.

980
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:32,500
You know, like she, they have your license.

981
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:38,500
You know, my mother's European, you know, and she throws these things at us and of course I think,

982
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:43,500
oh mom, you know, they wouldn't do anything like that or anything like this would they?

983
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:47,500
Well I'm sure that if they meant you any harm that would have happened then.

984
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:49,500
Well that's what I kind of thought too.

985
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:57,500
Actually, both Esther and I would love to just really experience it again and look at it in a different,

986
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:01,500
you know, after the shock of course, having the first time seen something like this.

987
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:03,500
I would dearly love to.

988
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:12,500
Well he said no, she asked me a question, but if we had the guarantee that whatever it is, it would friendly.

989
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:18,500
We would both, we would literally both stop and say sure, come on over and have a cup of coffee.

990
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:24,500
We are both this way, you see, as long as we had the guarantee that they weren't going to do any harm.

991
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:29,500
But other than that, I, or would take me away or anything like this.

992
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:33,500
We're getting a little bit silly, but truly this is how we feel, you know.

993
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:39,500
Yes, well if you see anything in the future or hear of anything being seen, why would we appreciate hearing about it.

994
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,500
Well thank you very much for calling back.

995
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,500
Thank you for talking to us.

996
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:44,500
Thank you very much.